Vikipedi:Silinmeye aday sayfalar/Eyüp Sabri Kartal
Oylama sonucunda silinmesine karar verilmiştir. --Ugur Basakmesaj 21:40, 12 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
Ansiklopedik değil. Eğer tarihe geçen bir eylemleri yoksa kaymakamlar aniklopedik olamaz. Yoksa bizim mahallenin muhtarını da yazmak gerekir. Baylanmsj 20:04, 5 Haziran 2006 (UTC))
- Silinmesin Türkçe Vikipedi için gayet ansiklopedik. Eyüp Bey'in Vikipedi için yaptıklarını takdir edenlerdim ama maddenin bu hali biçim olarak pek uygun gibi durmuyor. Sebepler; Resmi çok büyük, Özal ve Tüzmen resimlerene gerek yok, Gazete küpürleri düzensiz ve yine çok büyük (Sağa dayalı alt alta 100-150 px yeterli) --Cansız 20:08, 5 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
- Silinmesin. Danıştayda adam öldüren Alparslan Aslan'a makale,buna ban ,teşekkürler baylan. "Herkes karakterinin gereğini yapar." demişler ,silicilikte özel bir karekter, --3210mesaj 20:41, 5 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
- Silinsin . Bu konuyu bir kere daha oyladığımızı sanıyorum ve gene silinsin çıkmıştı. Not: Gözlükler de şahaneymiş :)) 16 20:30, 6 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
- Silinsin. Zira içeriği ansiklopedik değil, başlığı ise zaten tartışmalı. Açıkçası bir siyasetçi olarak öne çıkmamış, ülke gündemine oturmamış diğer yönleriyle de herhangi bir ansiklopedik başarı elde edememiş siyasetçilerin yer almasını uygun bulmuyorum. Kimse çıkıp İngilizce Vikipedi'de ABD'nin ıssız kasabalarının idarecilerinin maddeleri var demesin, ben onların o yaptıklarını da doğru bulmuyorum. Dip not olarak da şimdiden altını çizeyim: sonuçta bu şahsi bir fikir ve beni ilgilendirir. - Noumenon 16:28, 6 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
- silinsin -- Eger Besikduzu kaymakamligi kalacak ise orada su anki kaymakam olarak gecer. Madde olacak kadar ansiklopedik bir girdi degil. Citrat 16:36, 6 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
- Silinsin. Muhammedcimci 20:51, 6 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
- Silinsin Zaten daha önce de aynı madde, aynı üslupla yazıldığı için silinmişti. Anlaşılan en:Wikipedia:Autobiography sayfasını da çevirmek gerekecek. denisutku msj 21:33, 6 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
Silinsin. Kars 04:26, 7 Haziran 2006 (UTC)150'den az katilim nedeni ile (VP:OY) Citrat 04:31, 7 Haziran 2006 (UTC)- silinsin, ayrıca gazete kupürleri de telif ihlali. 'şahane gözlüklü' süper resim kalabilir tabii..:)) --spAs 12:37, 7 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
- Silinsin, oylama sona erene kadar tarafsızlaştırılırsa kalabilir, ama bu hali ile kesinlikle ansiklopedik değil. -- Tembelejderha 10:50, 9 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
- Geçersiz Oylar
- Silinmesin Buraya bayagı katkı saylıyor. Bunun semineribile düzenliyor. Bu konuda cami hocalarına bile semider düzenleyip çankırı camilerinin tanıtılmasına caba serfeden birinin her yazdığı durmalı. Gözlük konusunda haklı ola bilirsiniz kullanıcı Besiktas gecici görevle bekliyoruz sayın valim.. - VP:OY
- Yorumlar
- Yıldız takacaklarımıza neden Cımbız takıyoruz
Hayret bir şekilde 3,5 adam SAM mücadelesi veriyor.[[1]]
- Neden Bazı Wikiciler Nesnel Olamıyor
- İngilizcede Eyüp Sabri Kartal maddesi için yapılan oylama ve yorumlar yandaki linkte.Umarım ki ordaki nesnel ve yapıcı tartışmalar buradaki Türkçe wiki camiasına emsal olur.Gerçi bazıları için kafalarına geçirdikleri önyargı ve ideoloji urbaların çıkararak nesnel olmak, liberal olmak ,tarafsız olmak biraz zor gözüksede yanda veriyorum, bakınız;[[2]]--3210mesaj 11:16, 9 Haziran 2006 (UTC)
- [[3]]::[[4]][[5]]
- Neden Sadece Türkçe Wiki de 20 000 Kullanıcının üzerinde On Kişilik Oligarşi Eğemenliği var
- Dikkat hep 5-10 kişi SAM a katılıyor. Aralarındaki yazışmalara ve paslaşmalara bakınca özğürlük adına özgür ansiklopedi adına korkuyorsunuz.Tüyleriniz ürperiyor.
- [[6]]
- Bir Kişinin Ansiklopedik Madde Olaması İçin Tarihe Geçmesi Lazım İddiasına Yorum
- Hangi idareci, ülkenin doğusundan batısına her ilinde ilçesinde görev yapan özelliklede Kaymakamların tarihi yönü yoktur diyebilir. Valinin vali yardımsının kaymakamın o ilin tarihinde özellikle lokal ve idari tarihinde yeri yoktur diyebilir? Bu konuda "mühendis olup ve silinsin diyen" arkadaaaaşların dışında ancak tarihçiler tarihi değildir, diyebilir.
- Kaldıki bizim bu wikipedideki yazdıklarımızda tarihe geçmiyor mu? Mesela; wiki tarihi yazacaklar bu kamplaşmadan TARİHÇİLER BAHSETMEYECEK Mİ?
- sam konduğu maddeyi edit eden kullanıcılara mesaj BİLE yollamayan 5-10 KİŞİLİK "SAMCI OLİGARŞİ DİKTASI"NDAN tarih bahsetmeyecek mi?Elbette bahsedecek.
- [[7]]
[[:Resim:Miratülmemalik.JPG|Türk Edebiyatının ilk seyahatnamesi olan Seydi Ali Reisin Mir'at-ül Memalik adlı eserinin günümüz Türkçe’sine açıklamalı bir şekilde Beşikdüzü Kaymakamı Eyup Culum(Kartal) tarafından kazandırıldı..Yani Kartal aynı zamanda bir yazar. Tarihi bir olay yaptı.Gördüğün gibi.Şimdi kalacak mı?]].
- Silmek için nitelikli sayı gerekir
- [[8]].
- Neden nizalı olanlar oy kullanırlar,nezaket gereği anlaşmazlığı olduğu kişinin edit ettiği maddede oy kullanmasalar
- Yöneticiler göreve
- SAM koyupta da maddeyi edit edenlere mesaj koymayan jetfazıllara kim dur diyecek?[[12]]
- İngilizce en
- Eyüp Sabri Kartal maddesindeki sam ile türkçedeki Sam ve yorumları... kıyaslayın?
Bir yerli SAM cımız madde siliniyor diye seviniyor .
- Comments
He has more than 40,000 people in his district. From my East-European point of view, he is much more important than e.g. Mike Bach (a mayor of a 2,000-people town). Do not be so US-centric, please. And some of the facts are easy to see at the Turkish Wikipedia page. --Ioannes Pragensis 09:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC) Now, I deleted the user-page-like stuff from the article and formatted it; I hope that it will be a usable stub.--Ioannes Pragensis 09:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry I'm not American, so I'm having a hard time being US centric, and just because Mr. Bach has a WP entry doesn't mean I endorse it. ~ trialsanderrors 09:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- :-) You would be able able to excel even in hard disciplines. I should have written perhaps "Western World centric" but this does not sound well. Cheers --Ioannes Pragensis 09:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter. I grew up in a town of 37,000 and my mayor has no business having her profile on WP. It's not, as you note above, statewide office. ~ trialsanderrors 09:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- :-) You would be able able to excel even in hard disciplines. I should have written perhaps "Western World centric" but this does not sound well. Cheers --Ioannes Pragensis 09:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Comment, No opinion yet, but I'd like to see some verifiable information that he is indeed a regional governor. Most of what I see about him is wikipedia related or from the Turkish Wikipedia, site which is not a reliable source in my opinion (and this is not bias; I don't consider en.wikipedia to be a reliable source for wikipedia articles either). I'd also strongly suggest removing the "He is an active user of Wikipedia and supports the project - he has started the first and only official Wikipedia campaign so far in Turkey..." text. It is self-referential and not really important in the grand scheme of things; lots of people are active users of Wikipedia and support the project. Oh, and if anyone wants to bring Mike Bach to AfD, I'd vote delete on that one.--Isotope23 17:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- The verifiable information that he is a regional governor: It is enough to search in Google for "Beşikdüzü Kaymakam" (name of the province + "governor" in Turkish language); you get e.g. this: [13] (a newspaper). I think that this is beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course it is true, that his province is a small one. But IMHO still enough to fulfill WP:BIO somewhat. Here in the Europe/Near East region, all things are smaller than in the States :-) --Ioannes Pragensis 18:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Even better is to Google for "Beşikdüzü Kaymakamı", which makes it proper Şablon:Lan. --LambiamTalk 19:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- This is the map of Trabzon province in Turkey. There are 18 districts in the province, one of which is Beşikdüzü. It's the orange one in the upper left corner of this map. So let's make it clear that Kartal is not the governor of Trabzon province, but the officeholder in a district.~ trialsanderrors 18:44, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Add link to taxonomy of national administrative units which makes clear that Ilceler are Level 4 units, of which there are 923 in Turkey. It's a level below German Kreise, and far from the level 1 or 2 needed for notability. ~ trialsanderrors 06:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Slow down, please. Nobody says that he is a governor of the Trabzon province.--Ioannes Pragensis 18:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I was responding to Isotope's inquiry, not to your post. ~ trialsanderrors 19:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- The second map is interactive and gives further verification: if you hover the pointer over the upper left district (for left-right blind people: the orange blob) you'll see some offical information being displayed in the panel underneath, including the function and name of our friend. --LambiamTalk 19:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I still have no strong leaning towards inclusion/deletion, but I cleaned up the article a bit (like the fact that is an active Wikipedia user... aren't we all?)--Isotope23 14:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- The second map is interactive and gives further verification: if you hover the pointer over the upper left district (for left-right blind people: the orange blob) you'll see some offical information being displayed in the panel underneath, including the function and name of our friend. --LambiamTalk 19:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I was responding to Isotope's inquiry, not to your post. ~ trialsanderrors 19:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Slow down, please. Nobody says that he is a governor of the Trabzon province.--Ioannes Pragensis 18:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
To correct various pieces of misinformation offered above: Turkey is divided into 81 provinces or iller, comparable to French départements. The head of a province is a governor or vali in the sense of the head of the highest regional subdivision. Wikipedia considers governors notable. Below the province is a district (ilçe), with a sub-governor (kaymakam) as its head. This is comparable to French arrondissements.
Eyüp Sabri Kartal is not the governor of Trabzon, in which case he would be notable ex officio. The governor of Trabzon is Hüseyin Yavuzdemir. Kartal is the sub-governor of a district of Trabzon province named Beşikdüzü (pop. 40,000), and as such he is not notable ex officio, just as a sous-préfet is not notable. A search on Lexis-Nexis also yields no English-language newslinks over the last two years. The only reason why we're discussing this is because Kartal had the chuzpa to create his own entry (against WP:AUTO) to promote his campaign (against WP:VANITY) and uses a sockpuppet to continue this campaign (against WP:SOCK). ~ trialsanderrors 05:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Regarding the claim that Eyüp Sabri Kartal (a.k.a. User:Eculum and User:3210) is using a sockpuppet, I think that this is not entirely true. While it is true that both users are one and the same, a quick look at Eculum's contributions as against 3210's contributions shows that the earlier account, Eculum, has effectively been abandoned. There is a reason for this man's change in accounts; namely, a name change in real life, the story of which can be found here, in Turkish.
- I do not disagree with the WP:AUTO and WP:VANITY claims, but I think that the WP:SOCK claim, when looked at with these facts in mind, is not entirely true. Cheers. —Saposcat 07:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, sockpuppetry is simply the usage of two accounts without linkage but given the contribution histories I accept that this was not done in bad faith. ~ trialsanderrors 08:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- I think, that VP:VANITY was true when the article started. But now it has been thoroughly rewritten by Lambiam and by myself - both independent editors - and is based on sources.
- Moreover I feel here something like double standards against people living outside of English speaking world. For example, I recently AfDed Veronica Ruiz de Velasco, a living US painter of Mexican origin, who has only two (!) independent hits in Google and had never a solo exhibition - only a hadful of articles mostly in general newspapers and magazines, and a few photos with Prince Charles. The AfD discussion is leaning clearly towards Keep. Now we have a man who lives outside of US, has a comparatively high political function and an interesting story, but his AfD should be Delete. I am perhaps a bit paranoic, but this looks like apartheid to me.--Ioannes Pragensis 13:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Stop bolstering his political office. Countering claims (including his own), 99.9% of politicians of his rank do not have WP entries, and that includes US county supervisors. Also on the rewrite it looks like you simply reused his original sources. Are you following the local Trabzon press closely enough that you can include events that might not be to his liking? (Eg. "Local politician accused of graft") If not you should not pretend you're able to independently edit this article. If you're looking for a Turkish politician notable enough to warrant an article go here. ~ trialsanderrors 17:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Btw, you can vote on the deletion of the Mike Bach entry now. ~ trialsanderrors 17:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Uh oh – The article on our friend at the Turkish Wikipedia has just been nominated for deletion: [14]. The rationale given is "unencyclopedic" (an argument I dislike; as it says on the page WP:AFD: The reason "unencyclopedic" is not an argument at all but just another way of saying "should be deleted".) I won't be able to follow the debate as I will be travelling all next week, but you can tally for yourself using the key Kalsın = Silinmesin = Keep; Silinsin = Silinmeli = Delete. Further Kesinlikle = Strong and Hemen = Speedy. --LambiamTalk 01:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm guessing "Unecyclopedic" is shorthand for "tons of scanned newspaper articles posted by the subject to praise the subject's accomplishments" here. ~ trialsanderrors 06:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Just before that nomination, on the same Log page, there were nominations for the articles on Turkey (the Republic) and Turkish (the language), the latter also with the rationale "unencyclopedic" (and furthermore: "wrong"). I don't know it means much. --LambiamTalk 08:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Same nominator? ~ trialsanderrors 19:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Just before that nomination, on the same Log page, there were nominations for the articles on Turkey (the Republic) and Turkish (the language), the latter also with the rationale "unencyclopedic" (and furthermore: "wrong"). I don't know it means much. --LambiamTalk 08:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Looks like the Turkish Wikipedians are also leaning towards Silinsin. Evidently it's not all Western bias. ~ trialsanderrors 04:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm guessing "Unecyclopedic" is shorthand for "tons of scanned newspaper articles posted by the subject to praise the subject's accomplishments" here. ~ trialsanderrors 06:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- He is also writer .His books about Mir'at--85.98.216.208 15:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
[[:Resim:Miratülmemalik.JPG|Türk Edebiyatının ilk seyahatnamesi olan Sidi Ali Reisin Mir'at-ül Memalik adlı eserinin günümüz Türkçe’sine açıklamalı bir şekilde Beşikdüzü Kaymakamı Eyup Culum tarafından kazandırıldı..]].
- He also has a swimming rekord.
- Lütfen bu sayfada değişiklik yapmayınız